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You're a devil and will receive your reward!

It's hard to believe people were still taking Sorensen's book seriously as recently as 10 years ago. It is now well established that the Hill Cumorah is right where Joseph said it was. Upstate New York. I'm surprised FAIR doesn't take these old videos down...

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D&C 109: 22 And we ask thee, Holy Father, that thy servants may go forth from this house armed with thy power, and that thy name may be upon them, and thy glory be round about them, and thine angels have charge over them; 23 And from this place they may bear exceedingly great and glorious tidings, in truth, unto the ends of the earth, that they may know that this is thy work, and that thou hast put forth thy hand, to fulfil that which thou hast spoken by the mouths of the prophets, concerning the last days. 24 We ask thee, Holy Father, to establish the people that shall worship, and honorably hold a name and standing in this thy house, to all generations and for eternity; 25 That no weapon formed against them shall prosper; that he who diggeth a pit for them shall fall into the same himself; 26 That no combination of wickedness shall have power to rise up and prevail over thy people upon whom thy name shall be put in this house; 27 And if any people shall rise against this people, that thine anger be kindled against them; 28 And if they shall smite this people thou wilt smite them; thou wilt fight for thy people as thou didst in the day of battle, that they may be delivered from the hands of all their enemies. 29 We ask thee, Holy Father, to confound, and astonish, and to bring to shame and confusion, all those who have spread lying reports abroad, over the world, against thy servant or servants, if they will not repent, when the everlasting gospel shall be proclaimed in their ears; 30 And that all their works may be brought to naught, and be swept away by the hail, and by the judgments which thou wilt send upon them in thine anger, that there may be an end to lyings and slanders against thy people. 31 For thou knowest, O Lord, that thy servants have been innocent before thee in bearing record of thy name, for which they have suffered these things. 32 Therefore we plead before thee for a full and complete deliverance from under this yoke; 33 Break it off, O Lord; break it off from the necks of thy servants, by thy power, that we may rise up in the midst of this generation and do thy work. 34 O Jehovah, have mercy upon this people, and as all men sin, forgive the transgressions of thy people, and let them be blotted out forever.

When so many of the attacks are deliberately misleading, why should we take the CES letter seriously at all? We have a source that is proven time and again to be truthful, and we have another source that is proven to be dishonesty repeatedly. Is there a question which one we ought to believe or even take seriously? The CES letter has many more valid criticisms leveled against it than any church source. It is more densely packed with lies, half truths, and deception than almost any other publication in existence, yet we are expected to accept it at authoritative? It fails its own tests and is, therefore, nothing more than a poor joke, given in bad faith. Anyone promoting it should be likewise rejected as a purveyor of lies.

Compassion toward imperfect leaders... Awesome reflection

Stop your stupid lying you apistates and read Abraham chapter one where the seed of Canaan through Ham were of that "race" that was denied the priesthood, and how the were cursed with black skin (Moses 7:8), just as Moses 7:22 talks about the same curse on the seed of Cain, you dirty lying apistates!!!

Thanks Ben! This was great!

One of these days this group will get better recording equipment and more people will watch it.

Another fantastic video! Thank you!

The audio is very echoy and not fun to listen to 😢

The scriptures, just like 99.9% of the bible are fictional nonsense. Other than geographic locations and 3 possibly 4 people, it's all fake. Zero facts.

Wonderful lesson yet again!!!

Every Faith has detractors. Live and Let Live. 🙏♥️🙏

What if "Anti" was the name of the lamanite king, father of king Lamoni? It makes so much sense in my mind and heart

Another question is: what do they mean by steel? I thought these type of questions were a joke. Steel is steel, isnt it?

Who in the name of Davy Jones locker is making these sigma male edits of apologists??!! What is happening?? What's next? A brain rot skibidi toilet version of Jack Welch discussing the Chiasms in the Book of Mormon? Idk man maybe I'm just getting old.

Masonic Temples are satanic.

1:52 wow, where can we see the original manuscripts? I’d like to go into this more!

Thanks FAIR. Been following you for many years and attending your conferences since 2010, I think. Thanks for all you do.

Dr. Danial Peterson is without any doubt ( in my opinion ) is the most intelligent, teacher I have ever heard. I love this brother.

Why not refute the claims made at 42:00 is not hard to do. For one thing, Adam and Eve were 6000 years ago - that means there are dating problems with kennewick man and lineage data that are supposedly 8000 and 14000 years ago. I've also seen refutations of the supposed absence of X2a from the Middle East.

Thank you for putting this on RUclips! I grew up in Austria, and for 30 years I haven't heard about any conflict between my religious faith and science (I studied chemistry in Vienna). Only after moving to English-speaking countries (first South Africa, now New Zealand) did I encounter creationism. It spent the last 25 years fighting this fundamentalist thinking in religion. It seems to me that creationism is more prevalent now than a few decades ago (mainly "Intelligent Design", but also Young Earth, and even Flat Earth). Religious belief, on the other hand, is in decline. I guess it is similar in Europe now, but you also have to deal with the large influx of Muslim population, which is not a problem here. I belong to an organisation named New Zealand Christians in Science. We try to bridge this perceived gap between science and religion, but it is an uphill battle, creationists are much better funded.

So NO DNA EVEDIDENCE in Meso America is a better than DNA evidence from a questionable dating if the Kennewick Man? Basing your argument against Haplo Group X on the Kennewick Man is problematic. Carbon dating for KM range from 2100 years ago to 8400 years ago...literally all over the board. Referenced archeologists of course choose the earlier date to maintain their paradigm that KM was older than the modern Native Americans in an effort to not only maintain their narrative, but also control of the remains and discovery site. However, said scientists lost that battle in the court of law where KM, now called the Ancient One, was deemed to be a Native American. His remains were taken from the scientific community and returned to the local tribe for reburial. Should the earlier carbon datings be correct, he would have walked the North America about the time of Christ, which would not only challenge the ever waffling scientific community's paradigm, but also FAIR Mormon's. Tapir anyone?

When you slander Hitchens, Harris and Dawkins - you lost all your supporters. Hitchens and Harris typically use these two arguments and build on from there. It’s disingenuous to say they give little argument and instead relish in ridicule. This shows an alarming dishonesty. You need to apologize

You did not mention at all DNA studies of the mitrocondia DNA from the bones of the hopewell people. Why?

Another fantastic video! thank you!

Is there a possibility to test for this marker ?

4 months online and only 15 views. That is criminal if Gerritt Dirkmaat is speaking it should be at least double that!

North American Continent, not western hemisphere

The Nephites never went south of the Reo Grand River.

Joseph taught that the temples in South and Central America were not of the Law of Moses but we're Cambodian. Exodus 20 last 2 versus

On the Zions camp expedition, Joseph sent a letter to his wife saying they traveled the width of the Nephite nation, from Palmyra New York to Kansas City Missouri, it was his apostate brother, William who pushed the South America theory, not knowing that going that way, the nephite ship had to travel against the wind and waves all the way. TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE for a ship propelled by sails and a rudder.

I recall hearing about this before from either Brant or another LDS scholar, and so it's nice to hear it in this short clip, for easy reference. It is little details like this in the Book of Mormon that, to me, really help to reinforce the Mesoamerican model. And there are lots of such little details such as this one. I also look forward someday to finding out exactly what type of animals comprised the 'flocks' mentioned in these verses. Many folks automatically assume 'sheep', but old world sheep as we know them were not present in the New World at this time, so it must have been some other animal, perhaps a type of deer. Native American horses, also mentioned in these verses, were likely used as pack animals rather than ridden, as they were smaller than the equus caballus, or old world horses later brought by the Spaniards. They were likely either equus conversidens or else equus mexicanus. Since we are just now reading about this as part of this week's Come Follow Me lesson, it is very pertinent. Thank you for sharing :)

I'm grateful to Ugo and FAIR for providing well thought out information.

This is a delusional account. There is no defense for old, white men marrying 12, 13, 14yr old girls (children) and taking their virginity. Sick, sick, sick...

Could Ether 1:6-32 amd Ether 6 through 11 be considered a chiasmus? Ether presents a genealogy of 32 names and then repeats those name in exact reverse order. I've asked my Sunday School class to do this with just 16 names and nobody could do it without reading from a list. Since it would have taken Joseph at least three days of translating chapters 1 through 11, I find this a stunning evidence for the origin of the book.

I can attest to the fact that DNA varies between siblings. And that DNA markers can quickly be diluted, or lost from a family line. My mother has done extensive geneology on her side, as well as her late husband's (my father's) side. Due to her research, but also due to first hand knowledge (she met and knew her parents, grandparents and great grandparents), she knew our family's lineage. She also met many from my Father's side, as well. She had French. English, and Hawaiian ancestry. In addition, my Father came from German and Irish ancestory. When my Mother, brother, sister and I had our DNA done (my Father had already passed away) we got some surprising results. The results for my Mother, sister, and I all showed that we had Pacific Islander (ie Hawaiian). My brother's did not. This ancestral line came through the maternal side.....Mother, grandmother, and great-grandmother. Perhaps my brother, receiving only one X chromosome from my Mother, did not inherit the marker for the Hawaiian side. My sister and I got a double dose of the Maternal Hawaiian side (two X chromosomes) and so it showed up on the DNA report. Another interesting thing is that only my brother's DNA showed Jewish ancestry. I believe it was carried through my Father's line through the Y chromosome, which my sister and I did not receive. So, the evidence of this lineage was "lost" to us. Another surprise was that all of us, my Mother, brother, sister and I showed a strong precentage of Scandinavian heritage. But we don't have anyone from Scandinavia in our family tree! The explanation that was given by the DNA report was that the Vikings had conquered a large portion of the lands that are now Europe. So if your ancestors came from Germany or England (as ours did), you will likely have some Viking (Scandinavian) DNA. With all the ancient migrations, we are probably more related than we think!

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Hi Ugo. Nice to see you again! Ray Conger

So Kennewick Man is 8,000 years old. That's older than the garden of Eden in Jackson County Missouri and Adam and Eve. That's older than the flood and the tower of babel. And since the Book of Mormon mentions both the flood and the Tower of Babel, what does that say about the Book of Mormon? Kennewick man's descendants are Native Americans that still live in the Pacific Northwest according to DNA testing. And it's nice to have Rod Meldrum put in his place by a real scientist.

Enjoyed watching this. It is interesting to see that you used the example of Thomas Jefferson because Fawn M. Brodie in her biography was an early adopter of the idea that Thomas Jefferson fathered children with his slaves. She also wrote one of the most complete historical records of Joseph Smith. Again, enjoyed this video!

Dr. Ugo Perego is a consummate scientist, and I'm grateful to have him. I hope the book coming will also address some of the newer concerns launched by disaffected scientists like Dr. Southerton. I realize Dr. Southerton is not a specialist in the same way Dr. Perego is on the subject of Native American population genetics, but it would be good if such professional differences were addressed somewhat. Having myself worked in both human-based and plant-based systems (the realms of Dr. Southerton and Dr. Perego respectively) there are substantial differences between the genetics and inheritance patterns of both, so I'm dubious about how much of the expertise transfers. The data, or rather lack-of-data that Dr. Perego highlights I think does a great job of explaining what we can and cannot expect from genetic research. More provocatively, during the question period, is the notion that perhaps there should be an effort to actively test this hypothesis regarding the Book of Mormon. We do have a little bit of data from the book that might be helpful. We have a linguistically (according to Jerry Grover) Sumerian people which were those we call the Jaredites, a Menassahite lineage from 600 BC, an Ephraimite lineage from 600 BC (presumed) and a Judahite lineage ~580 BC. Since the bulk of the northern Ephraimite and Menasshite lineages were assimilated into the Assyrian Empire around 700 BC, it might be better to compare genetic markers between people from the Balkans, Eastern Europe and Turkey to that of Indigenous peoples. I think gene-copy number analysis rather than just haplotype analysis might be required for this type of work. Either way, very interesting, but a little disappointing that there has been almost nothing new to talk about since Ugo gave his first presentation on this subject.

"From the days of the Prophet Joseph even until now, it has been the DOCTRINE [emphasis added] of the Church, never questioned by any of the Church leaders, that the Negroes are not entitled to the full blessings of the Gospel" - George Albert Smith, J Reuben Clark Jr., David O. McKay (The First Presidency) July 17, 1947

You missed point 4. To cover all the errors and lies of the Church leaders 👍

Thank you for this. Well said.

Thank you. I agree with your points, I think it is right that there is fluidity it our practices.

Joseph smith made and interpretation of the facsimiles and lined them up with his story on the book of Abraham; Joseph smith believed his theory #1. lol go look at the times and seasons original print in March 1 1842

so what’s changed?

Your assertion that the church is being “continuously being restored” assumes that the Church failed in its mission, and that Christ lied when He spoke “Upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it”. Your outlook upon Christ’s teachings and soteriology would be seen as both completely unheard of and unreconcilable to any of the Apostles or early Church Fathers.